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This is a rush transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," November 2, 2007. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated
SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: And this is a FOX News alert.
The A&E cable network has pulled Duane "Dog" Chapman's television show off the air indefinitely tonight following the release of the phone call between the bounty hunter and his son that was laced with racially charged language. "Hannity & Colmes" tonight has obtained a complete version of that phone call. The whole discussion is more than five minutes long. The two voices that you will hear on the tape are that of Dog Chapman and his son, Tucker:
DUANE "DOG" CHAPMAN, "DOG THE BOUNTY HUNTER": I'm not taking a chance on some mother (EXPLETIVE DELETED). I don't care if she's a Mexican, a (EXPLETIVE DELETED), whatever. It's not because she's black. It's because we use the word (EXPLETIVE DELETED) sometimes here.
I'm not going to take a chance ever in life of losing everything I've worked for, for 30 years, because some (EXPLETIVE DELETED) heard us say (EXPLETIVE DELETED) and turned this into the "Enquirer" magazine. Our career is over. I'm not taking that chance at all, never in life, never. Never. Never.
If Lyssa was dating a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) we would all say (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you. And you know that. If Lyssa brought a black guy home, ya da da — and it's not that they're black. It's none of that. It's that we use the word (EXPLETIVE DELETED). We don't mean you scum (EXPLETIVE DELETED) without a soul. We don't mean that (EXPLETIVE DELETED). But America would think we mean that.
And we're not taking a chance on losing everything we got over a racial slur because our son goes with a girl like that. I can't do that, Tucker. You can't expect Gary, Bonnie, Cecily, all them young kids to (INAUDIBLE) because, "I'm in love for 7 months." (EXPLETIVE DELETED) that.
So I'll help you get another job, but you cannot work here unless you break up with her and she's out of your life. I can't handle that (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
I got them in the parking lot trying to record us. I got that girl saying — she's going to wear a recorder...
TUCKER CHAPMAN, SON OF DUANE "DOG" CHAPMAN: I don't even know what to say.
D. CHAPMAN: The girl said she's going to wear a goddamned recording.
T. CHAPMAN: No, she didn't.
D. CHAPMAN: Your girl was going to jump Beth one day.
T. CHAPMAN: No, she wasn't even there that day, Dad. You can ask any of them. She wasn't even there.
D. CHAPMAN: I asked everybody. I asked everybody.
D. CHAPMAN: Liar. Lyssa said that Beth had a tank shirt on, and your girlfriend was going to (EXPLETIVE DELETED)...
T. CHAPMAN: She wasn't even there that day. The day (INAUDIBLE) wasn't even there. The last time Monique was anywhere near that office was during the cruise, and that was over a month-and-a-half ago, Dad.
D. CHAPMAN: That's when it was, Tucker. It was a long time ago.
T. CHAPMAN: No (INAUDIBLE) said it was recently, just a while ago.
D. CHAPMAN: No, she didn't, because we've been out of town. She said it was a month or so ago. It was before we left town. Lyssa was there in the parking lot with the black girl, because I'd seen a black girl in the car, but I didn't know it was your girlfriend. And Beth had a tank top on.
T. CHAPMAN: You've seen her now, Dad.
D. CHAPMAN: I've seen the back of her head, yes, in the car with what's-her-name.
D. CHAPMAN: It was Lyssa's. It was the car that was parked by my office there.
T. CHAPMAN: Monique (INAUDIBLE) car.
D. CHAPMAN: No, the Lyssa (INAUDIBLE) parked by my office there. So listen, so she says that she's going with Beth, and she goes, no, let's stick to the original plan and record her.
T. CHAPMAN: That is so — no, dad. Monique loves me the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) she would never...
D. CHAPMAN: No, it doesn't matter, Tucker. You don't know life. She does not. Yes, she may love you and all that, but she's going to get Beth.
T. CHAPMAN: She doesn't care, Dad. She does not...
D. CHAPMAN: We make too many statements, Tucker. I'm not having someone live around me.
T. CHAPMAN: (INAUDIBLE) making crap up now. She's psycho, Dad. She goes over to (INAUDIBLE) won't answer his phone. She'll sit in front of his house until she sees him.
T. CHAPMAN: ... three months ago, Dad, because I wouldn't take her (EXPLETIVE DELETED), and I told Monique that. I don't care if you hang out with her, but I'm not hanging with her. You don't have her drop you off at my house; you don't have her picked you up in my house; you don't have her do any favors for you (INAUDIBLE) do with me. And this has been going on for three months...
T. CHAPMAN: ... hanging out with her.
D. CHAPMAN: No, he's not. Leland's (EXPLETIVE DELETED) freaked out now.
T. CHAPMAN: Dude, she's weird. Dude, that girl is (INAUDIBLE) when Leland was out of town. (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
D. CHAPMAN: Yes, well, he ain't no more, because last night I laid down the law, and I just (INAUDIBLE) just called me and said (INAUDIBLE) never to come back her (EXPLETIVE DELETED) again, because I told Duane Lee the same thing. If you're going to have your wife hanging around with that girl, we do not (INAUDIBLE) for "Dog the Bounty Hunter."
Duane Lee called this morning (INAUDIBLE) and said, "We are not hanging around with that girl." So just like Duane Lee, just like you, if you hang out with that black girl, I do not want you in my house, because it's already been proven that you run your mouth to her. That's it right there. So you just let me know. I got to go (INAUDIBLE) later, bye.
HANNITY: Now, the other big development today was that the cable network, A&E, suspended Dog's show indefinitely. And joining us now with reaction to these late-breaking developments are Duane's attorney, Brook Hart, is with us. He's on the phone in Hawaii tonight. Here in our New York studio, the author of "Till Death Do Us Part," Dr. Robi Ludwig. And the host of "The Line Up" right here on the FOX News Channel, Kimberly Guilfoyle, is with us.
All right, Brook, let me start with you. And let me say something. I did spend a little bit of time on the phone with him and his wife today. And they reiterated — first of all, this tape, first of all, puts a lot of texture and a lot of context to the story that he's even saying that is untold, up and to this point.
And he wanted to emphasize one thing to me. Number one, he admits he's wrong, he uses horrible language on a regular basis, and that he's changing that now in his life. He realizes it's wrong. And he emphasized again, this was never and is never about race and was never, and he doesn't have any racist tendencies at all in his life. And he wanted that message to get out, as was part of his apology here when he said, "I didn't mean to add yet another slap in the face toward an entire race of people that have brought so many gifts to this world."
Could you add to that?
BROOK HART, ATTORNEY FOR CHAPMAN: Well, you know, my reaction is — and I've known Duane for seven years — I don't believe he's a racist. And if the word "regular" means from time to time, maybe so, but in all the time I've ever been with him, and I've been with him in many different situations, I've never heard him use the n-word before.
But what he's focusing on is really what's important, and that is that he did, that he spoke in a way that was, as some people have called it, despicable, and that he's taking full responsibility for that and he's made it clear that he's going to make every effort in his life to never repeat that behavior.
HANNITY: Well, and he reiterated that point to me in some length today, as did his wife, and he feels terrible about it here.
Kimberly Guilfoyle, one of the things, he even made — if you listen to the tape — and, look, we know what Duane "Dog" Chapman does. I mean, he's on the street. He uses salty language. He admits it. And this is part of that language, and he wanted everybody to know, it is the equivalent to him of cursing, not an insult to people based on race.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, "THE LINE UP" HOST: If you look at the tape as a piece of evidence, as a prosecutor like I would, you would go through it, and you listen to the context of it. I think this is really about him obviously losing his temper, feeling very upset with his son, that he feels like this is a boy that he's raised, that he's taking great care of, that he has supported financially, emotionally, and otherwise, and feeling like his son doesn't get it. "Look, you're putting everything on the line."
In that frustration, he said something that was terrible, that was horrible, and then he came right out and said, look, I'm sorry about this. I learned from this, and I want to do better and not use this kind of language anymore.
ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Robi, what's going on here between father and son?
DR. ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, you know, clearly, the son is sticking it to his father. He's absolutely enraged, and so...
COLMES: Because the father is saying, "I want you to break up with this girl"?
LUDWIG: And he knew he would get his father by selling this very private tape, where he's exposing his father, you know? And what people say privately and what they actually think publicly might be different, although what the question is, when you say something out of anger privately, do you really mean that? Is that what you really think?
COLMES: Well, you're the shrink. What's the answer to that question?
LUDWIG: Well, you know, it's hard for me to know whether he really has negative feelings toward the black race or whether he really has negative feelings about this girl and he just pinned it on that. I don't know. I don't know this girl. Obviously, he doesn't like his son dating her.
COLMES: Brook Hart, it's pretty interesting that you — we had on...
HART: Shall I respond to that?
COLMES: Yes, go ahead, Brook. Go ahead.
HART: Well, here's my — I have personal experience. I have experience as his lawyer, and I know him pretty well. And I know that he didn't choose his minister, Tim Storey, because Tim happens to be black. Tim has been his minister for about five years, because Duane confides in him and honors his advice. And Duane didn't choose his workout partner, Nathan Green, because Nathan happens to be black. He chose him because they like lifting weights together. And Duane didn't choose his hairstylist because she's black. He chose her because she's good at fixing that hairdo that he has.
COLMES: I understand. I guess...
HART: You know what I'm saying? So...
COLMES: I guess what people struggle with...
HART: I don't think he's a racist.
COLMES: ... is where does this language come from, if you don't normally talk that way? And where from inside a human being — I get very angry sometimes. I don't — not everybody uses that kind of language.
HART: Absolutely. And that's just a question that all of us need to ask. And, fortunately, Duane is asking himself, because he acknowledges that that is not part of him or the part of him that he wants to embrace at all. And he wants to reject that.
COLMES: I know, Robi, you want to respond. We have to take a quick break.
HART: I think it comes...
COLMES: Go ahead, finish your thought.
HART: I think it comes from his childhood in the South, from going to prison at an early age, from being on the street for an extended time.
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